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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 1, 2015 22:52:36 GMT -5
I'm not gonna do anything crazy like pay for it but the library has a pretty good chunk of the series.
And I'm equally impressed/annoyed by the "This issue is chapter 56 of 2014!" approach. It's an approach to storytelling that only happens in mainstream superhero comics so that makes it interesting - but the actual results are kind of iffy.
I read New Avengers vol. 2 first, and thought it was godawful.
Then I read a big 'ol Collection of Not-New Avengers 1-13, and liked it okay. I like Captain Universe! My second favorite Ditko creation after Squirrel Girl.
But is it worth reading the whole thing?
Oh wait, Spider-man.
My THIRD favorite.
Other notes:
(A) What is "Avengers World?"
(B) Do I have to read Infinity? I am not feeling giant crossover right now. That Jason Aaron Watcher thing 'bout broke me. I need to go crossover-less for a bit.
(C) I did read most of the 2013 version of "Mighty Avengers" and THAT is my favorite Avengers book in... when did Stern get forced off the book? Since then.
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Post by Dizzy D on Nov 2, 2015 5:01:59 GMT -5
A) Avengers World are side-stories with certain characters, not necessary for the big picture.
B) I didn't read Infinity and I could follow the whole Avengers/New Avengers story.
I enjoyed Hickman's Avengers, but keep in mind that I usually don't enjoy Avengers. I'm basically the comic Anti-Christ.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 2, 2015 12:09:32 GMT -5
I think I read the first couple of trades and they were okay. Hickman just doesn't work for me. He has a lot of big ideas that just never pan out. I find that I like his stuff in the beginning and it just drags on and on and on until I get bored and move on to something else.
That probably didn't answer your question, but there we are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 12:49:33 GMT -5
I started to read his Avengers but lost interest after like 8 issues or so. I absolutely loved the first 75% or so of his F.F. run but it fizzled towards the end. Like Slam_Bradley said he has great ideas but the executions often fall flat. Yeah sorry...that didn't help much either.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 2, 2015 15:54:36 GMT -5
I liked it, but then I enjoyed most of the Bendis stuff too, so my opinion may well push you away...
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 3, 2015 9:21:08 GMT -5
Hickman' entire run leads to Infinity, which then leads into Time Runs Out, which leads into CIvil War... it's really one long drawn out arc.
If you're not up for events, skip it... Hickman is ALL events, all the time. It's entirely plot driven with little character development.
I wouldn't waste my time.. I gave him about 15 issues before I dropped it, and have no desire to read anything else.. snippets online to know what's going on is plenty for me.
Avengers World is only semi-related, and has alot of stuff with Sunspot, Cannonball, and Smasher (which I think is a Hickman creation)... it seems to directly lead into the current New Avengers, which Sunspot sorta leads. If you like them, it's probably worth taking out of the library.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 12:37:16 GMT -5
No. Don't read it.
I dislike Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers/Secret Avengers/whateverAvengers. Chances are, if Hickman is writing any single-anything-Avengers, it's going to be awful, boring, Wtf am I reading, ruining-the-lives-of-the-things-we-love.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 4, 2015 18:29:17 GMT -5
Ok. This really isn't sounding like my kind of thing. I can deal with heavily plot-centric comics. I love Grant Morrison's JLA, but I love it because cool #$%^ happened all the time. This is all too much set-up for too little pay-off.
Avengers World is a Solo Avenges type of thing? I will check that out. Maybe it'll have Captain Universe!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 13:59:12 GMT -5
There were a lot of interesting ideas in there, but it took an age to get anywhere, and ultimately it suffered from massive threat excess: it's not enough that New York is in peril, it has to be the whole of America / the world / the solar system / the galaxy / the universe / the multiverse / several multiverses / all of time. After a while it all gets a bit wearing, not least because, in a sweeping generalisation, (virtually?) all of these "end of all there is, everywhere, we're not kidding" events turn out to be utter garbage (Crisis / Infinite Crisis / Zero Hour / umpteeen Infinity * series etc)
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Post by dupersuper on Nov 6, 2015 14:46:27 GMT -5
It's a massive story going through 3 ongoing titles over years, tying directly into Infinity, indirectly into Original Sins and Axis, leading to Secret Wars and even building a bit on Hickmans FF books. I can see why it would be daunting to get into it now, but as some one who got on at the ground floor, I've been loving it.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 6, 2015 19:26:51 GMT -5
Got the first four volumes of the Bendis Uncanny X-men series instead.
I didn't like his other All New X-men thing, but I'm actually really enjoying this one. Frazier Irving and Chris Bachalo!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 6, 2015 23:39:49 GMT -5
Bendis' X-Men isn't bad... as long as you don't mind that it never actually gets anywhere plot-wise.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 6:38:48 GMT -5
Bendis' X-Men isn't bad... as long as you don't mind that it never actually gets anywhere plot-wise. It slugs around FOREVER. And the sad thing is, we all fell for it, at least for a bit. We thought, for whatever reason, that this book would all of sudden start going somewhere from, like, zero to a million in the turn of a page. And it never happened. Ever. In my opinion, it was a book that never did anything but complain. And a lot of time spent getting little digs in at each other. And making Emma look even worse than Emma did already. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 7, 2015 18:05:15 GMT -5
Yeah... I was in for, oh, 15... maybe even 20 issues. THen I realized that Bendis had no idea whatsoever where he was going, he was just focusing on Kewl character moments. There were some of those, but that gets old.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 8, 2015 17:27:35 GMT -5
Bendis' X-Men isn't bad... as long as you don't mind that it never actually gets anywhere plot-wise. It slugs around FOREVER. And the sad thing is, we all fell for it, at least for a bit. We thought, for whatever reason, that this book would all of sudden start going somewhere from, like, zero to a million in the turn of a page. And it never happened. Ever. In my opinion, it was a book that never did anything but complain. And a lot of time spent getting little digs in at each other. And making Emma look even worse than Emma did already. I'm ok with that, though. Honestly, I'm not sure that plot progression is a good thing for superhero comics. |
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