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Post by Rob Allen on Dec 17, 2019 13:36:18 GMT -5
I'm trying to verify the first time this "Superman Family" illustration by Curt Swan was published. I believe it was as the back cover of Superman Annual #6 (Winter 1962-63). If it appeared before this, please let me know. Looks like that was the first appearance. The GCD index for the annual shows the original sources of all the stories but this pinup has no "reprinted from" link. www.comics.org/issue/17444/Also, this site: comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=37652 copies the "Key to the Superman Family Portrait" on page 13 of the annual, listing all the characters shown as well as others who were "omitted for lack of room".
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Dec 17, 2019 14:00:49 GMT -5
I'm trying to verify the first time this "Superman Family" illustration by Curt Swan was published. I believe it was as the back cover of Superman Annual #6 (Winter 1962-63). If it appeared before this, please let me know. Looks like that was the first appearance. The GCD index for the annual shows the original sources of all the stories but this pinup has no "reprinted from" link. www.comics.org/issue/17444/Also, this site: comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=37652 copies the "Key to the Superman Family Portrait" on page 13 of the annual, listing all the characters shown as well as others who were "omitted for lack of room". Thanks, Rob!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 19, 2019 13:27:07 GMT -5
I've just read that at the end of Doomsday Clock, Dr. Manhattan restarts the multiverse. Which prompts me to ask... The DC universe, how does it work nowadays?
Starting from my early reading days, there was...
1) the pre-crisis multiverse, in which current stories occurred on Earth-1. Golden age stories had occurred on Earth-2, as were current-era stories featuring golden age heroes grown old. Other numbered Earths had varied versions of the DC characters, or were home to people like Kamandi, Captain Marvel or the Warlord.
2) The post-crisis universe, in which everything happensed in the same universe and golden age heroes were the inspiration for their successors (Flash, Green Lantern) or hadn't existed at all (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman).
3) The post-Zero Hour universe, a variation of the previous one with a few tweaks... the most important of which being the rebooting of the Legion of super-heroes.
4) The new 52 universe, in which the entire thing was rebooted again.
... and that's where I got lost, trying to follow events on comics news sites and getting the impression that there were a few more other reboots and returns to the status quo ante.
So when it is announced that the multiverse is back, what are we talking about? A brand new one? The pre-crisis one? The pre-crisis one plus all the new post-crisis versions?
Is the JSA back on Earth-2?
What is considered the "proper" DC universe today?
Thanks for any enlightenment you may provide!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 19, 2019 13:29:12 GMT -5
I've just read that at the end of Doomsday Clock, Dr. Manhattan restarts the multiverse. Which prompts me to ask... The DC universe, how does it work nowadays? Starting from my early reading days, there was... 1) the pre-crisis multiverse, in which current stories occurred on Earth-1. Golden age stories had occurred on Earth-2, as were current-era stories featuring golden age heroes grown old. Other numbered Earths had varied versions of the DC characters, or were home to people like Kamandi, Captain Marvel or the Warlord. 2) The post-crisis universe, in which everything happensed in the same universe and golden age heroes were the inspiration for their successors (Flash, Green Lantern) or hadn't existed at all (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman). 3) The post-Zero Hour universe, a variation of the previous one with a few tweaks... the most important of which being the rebooting of the Legion of super-heroes. 4) The new 52 universe, in which the entire thing was rebooted again. ... and that's where I got lost, trying to follow events on comics news sites and getting the impression that there were a few more other reboots and returns to the status quo ante. So when it is announced that the multiverse is back, what are we talking about? A brand new one? The pre-crisis one? The pre-crisis one plus all the new post-crisis versions? Is the JSA back on Earth-2? What is considered the "proper" DC universe today? Thanks for any enlightenment you may provide! Why worry? It will all change a week from next Thursday. I guess Johns has finished up cannibalizing Moore and is going to start cannibalizing Morrison now.
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Post by badwolf on Dec 19, 2019 13:36:12 GMT -5
It's pronounced Throatwobbler mangrove. But spelled Luxury Yacht.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 19, 2019 15:38:48 GMT -5
I've just read that at the end of Doomsday Clock, Dr. Manhattan restarts the multiverse. Which prompts me to ask... The DC universe, how does it work nowadays? Judging by much of their output these days, it doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 16:00:07 GMT -5
I've just read that at the end of Doomsday Clock, Dr. Manhattan restarts the multiverse. Which prompts me to ask... The DC universe, how does it work nowadays? Starting from my early reading days, there was... 1) the pre-crisis multiverse, in which current stories occurred on Earth-1. Golden age stories had occurred on Earth-2, as were current-era stories featuring golden age heroes grown old. Other numbered Earths had varied versions of the DC characters, or were home to people like Kamandi, Captain Marvel or the Warlord. 2) The post-crisis universe, in which everything happensed in the same universe and golden age heroes were the inspiration for their successors (Flash, Green Lantern) or hadn't existed at all (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman). 3) The post-Zero Hour universe, a variation of the previous one with a few tweaks... the most important of which being the rebooting of the Legion of super-heroes. 4) The new 52 universe, in which the entire thing was rebooted again. ... and that's where I got lost, trying to follow events on comics news sites and getting the impression that there were a few more other reboots and returns to the status quo ante. So when it is announced that the multiverse is back, what are we talking about? A brand new one? The pre-crisis one? The pre-crisis one plus all the new post-crisis versions? Is the JSA back on Earth-2? What is considered the "proper" DC universe today? Thanks for any enlightenment you may provide! from an article at Bleeding Cool so take it ith a grain of salt if you will... Not sure if that makes it any clearer but anyways... -M
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 19, 2019 16:13:31 GMT -5
I've just read that at the end of Doomsday Clock, Dr. Manhattan restarts the multiverse. Which prompts me to ask... The DC universe, how does it work nowadays? Starting from my early reading days, there was... 1) the pre-crisis multiverse, in which current stories occurred on Earth-1. Golden age stories had occurred on Earth-2, as were current-era stories featuring golden age heroes grown old. Other numbered Earths had varied versions of the DC characters, or were home to people like Kamandi, Captain Marvel or the Warlord. 2) The post-crisis universe, in which everything happensed in the same universe and golden age heroes were the inspiration for their successors (Flash, Green Lantern) or hadn't existed at all (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman). 3) The post-Zero Hour universe, a variation of the previous one with a few tweaks... the most important of which being the rebooting of the Legion of super-heroes. 4) The new 52 universe, in which the entire thing was rebooted again. ... and that's where I got lost, trying to follow events on comics news sites and getting the impression that there were a few more other reboots and returns to the status quo ante. So when it is announced that the multiverse is back, what are we talking about? A brand new one? The pre-crisis one? The pre-crisis one plus all the new post-crisis versions? Is the JSA back on Earth-2? What is considered the "proper" DC universe today? Thanks for any enlightenment you may provide! from an article at Bleeding Cool so take it ith a grain of salt if you will... Not sure if that makes it any clearer but anyways... -M Thanks, mrp. And to think that Crisis was supposed to make things easier to understand...
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Post by rberman on Dec 19, 2019 16:23:47 GMT -5
And to think that Crisis was supposed to make things easier to understand... Well, it was, and it did, to the imperfect extent that writers stuck with the premise. But it wasn't what old fans wanted, and it failed to attract new fans, so I guess we're in for five years of Old Man Bats and Old Man Supes before returning to the historic status quo with much fanfare in the face of continuously declining sales.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 19, 2019 16:48:46 GMT -5
And to think that Crisis was supposed to make things easier to understand... Well, it was, and it did, to the imperfect extent that writers stuck with the premise. But it wasn't what old fans wanted, and it failed to attract new fans, so I guess we're in for five years of Old Man Bats and Old Man Supes before returning to the historic status quo with much fanfare in the face of continuously declining sales. I don't for a second believe it was. And no it didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 8:24:13 GMT -5
I appreciate mrp's summary, but it was like doing a challenge from one of those puzzle books. I'll have to read that twice.
I've been watching Filmation's The New Adventures of Batman (I'm enjoying it!). Seven episodes in, not a single punch has been thrown. Nets are thrown over people, vehicles crash, futuristic weapons shrink or incapacitate people, but there's been not one punch either from hero to villain or villain to hero.
That's not a problem. But I am curious. I know a little about the silly rules imposed on cartoons over time (like the 90s Spidey cartoon). Would there have been rules preventing punch-ups in 1977? I believe the show aired on CBS.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 23, 2019 11:06:38 GMT -5
I appreciate mrp's summary, but it was like doing a challenge from one of those puzzle books. I'll have to read that twice. I've been watching Filmation's The New Adventures of Batman (I'm enjoying it!). Seven episodes in, not a single punch has been thrown. Nets are thrown over people, vehicles crash, futuristic weapons shrink or incapacitate people, but there's been not one punch either from hero to villain or villain to hero. That's not a problem. But I am curious. I know a little about the silly rules imposed on cartoons over time (like the 90s Spidey cartoon). Would there have been rules preventing punch-ups in 1977? I believe the show aired on CBS. Yes, the rules about violence on Saturday morning cartoons were ridiculously restrictive in the '70s, thanks to a very vocal parents' advocacy group whose name escapes me at the moment. The Standards and Practices departments at the three networks were terrified of these people for some eason, resulting in some twenty years' worth of dull, emasculated 'toons. They even required that the explosions, etc be edited out of old Looney Tunes!
Cei-U! I summon the dismal days of overprotectiveness!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 11:11:57 GMT -5
Thank you.
It didn't detract from the cartoon so far (I'm loving it a lot!), but so many things haven't happened: punches, Batarangs being thrown at people, etc. It's all rather inoffensive. Joker must be scooped up in a net. No-one can be knocked out. A paralysing ray or something is all we can expect.
Not sure if that same advocacy group was responsible for later cartoons, but I believe 1983's Masters of the Universe had similar restrictions, e.g. He-Man's sword could only be used for certain things such as slicing through vines, deflecting laser blasts, etc. In fact, pretty much only in a defensive capacity. Not that He-Man was a killer - he ain't the Punisher - but I don't even remember him using the sword to slice through inanimate foes.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 23, 2019 14:30:55 GMT -5
The original Filmation Adventures of Batman (1/2 of the Batman/Superman Hour) had the characters fighting the villains and their stooges, with real punches and kicks. It was the cartoon that most had the watchdog groups up in arms. They campaigned both the FCC and the networks to reduce violence, leading to a mandate that the networks had to reduce violence in cartoons and gave them an educational mandate. This led to the cartoons of the 70s, which were mostly comedic in nature, with the various Scooby Doo incarnations and knockoffs, plus things like The Hair Bear Bunch. Adventure cartoons mostly dried up. Hanna-Barbera had secured the rights to the DC characters and put out the Super Friends, where the heroes could barely even touch the villains and every episode featured an ecological theme, with most antagonists being misguided ecological crusaders, rather than criminals. As the decade wore on, the educational mandate was softened or dispensed with in brief segments (such as a demonstration of the Heimlich Maneuver, in The All-New Super Friends Hour or Spanish lessons in The New Adv. of Zorro). By the end of the 70s, adventure cartoons started making a comeback, with Thundarr the Barbarian , Flash Gordon and The New Adv. of Zorro. No punches were allowed and mostly robots or machines were attacked, or monsters would be captured or buried, but not killed.
By the 80s, cable television brought in new avenues for cartoons and more violence became present, though not at the levels of the 60s. Also weakened were prohibitions against cartoon advertising. Entire shows, like He-Man and GI Joe were 30 minute commercials for toy lines, though the actual toys commercials couldn't be run during the cartoon's broadcast (only after or before it began). The networks started dropping cartoon programming altogether, until ABC, owned by Disney, was pretty much the last holdout.
In the 60s and 70s, Saturday Morning cartoons were an event; by the 80s, they were an afterthought.
ABC got around the educational mandate by inserting the Schoolhouse Rock educational mini-cartoons between shows, shaving a minute or two off the timeslot to fit them in (since they weren't going to reduce commercial time). These featured fun, effective lessons about the multiplication tables, grammar, science and US history, with such catchy songs as "Three is a Magic Number," "Conjunction Junction," "I'm Just a Bill", "Telegraph Line" and more. Many a student passed their US Constitution test by humming the Preamble song, from the cartoon. Teachers actually reported this phenomena to the creators, as they started hearing humming during the test and learned that the kids were humming the song, to write out the Preamble to the US Constitution (you just had to remember to insert "of the United States," after "We the People")
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 15:27:35 GMT -5
In the 60s and 70s, Saturday Morning cartoons were an event; by the 80s, they were an afterthought. This is so true and it was so sad to see that. I was fortunate to be able to watch them and I tried to watch 2 hours of that stuff every Saturday Morning.
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