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Post by screamsinthevoid on Dec 20, 2018 15:35:20 GMT -5
I have always been curious as to how other people pronounce the name of Shira Brie . I have always pronounced her name as Shyra Bry , but Dave Michellinie , who wrote her , has said that he does pronounce her first name that way but the majority of fans he talked to pronounced it Sheera and he also has said the last name is pronounced Bree .The Sheera pronunciation reminds me too much of She Ra from Masters Of The Universe and Bree reminds me of the cheese food ,so in my head , I am sticking with the Shyra Bry pronunciation.Dave is one of my Facebook friends and that is how I found out his pronunciation of the character .
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Post by Confessor on Dec 20, 2018 17:32:50 GMT -5
I've always pronounced it Shyra Bree and still do, but yeah, I think it's meant to be Sheera Bree.
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Post by tarkintino on Dec 20, 2018 19:08:56 GMT -5
I have always been curious as to how other people pronounce the name of Shira Brie . I have always pronounced her name as Shyra Bry , but Dave Michellinie , who wrote her , has said that he does pronounce her first name that way but the majority of fans he talked to pronounced it Sheera and he also has said the last name is pronounced Bree .The Sheera pronunciation reminds me too much of She Ra from Masters Of The Universe and Bree reminds me of the cheese food ,so in my head , I am sticking with the Shyra Bry pronunciation.Dave is one of my Facebook friends and that is how I found out his pronunciation of the character . When first reading the issues featuring the character, I assumed her name was pronounced ShY-rah Bree. The single "I" can inform two ways of pronunciation, and I guess either is okay, after all, in the Original Trilogy films, actors like Billy Dee Williams pronounced Han as Haa-aan (as in hand), while others pronounced it as Haun. but both were accepted Not to mention just about everyone pronouncing Falcon as Faahhl-kun, instead of what I believed to be the correct Faal-con. *Shrugs shoulders*
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Post by screamsinthevoid on Dec 20, 2018 21:17:37 GMT -5
yeah , the Shy-rah pronunciation makes sense to me and as for the last name of Brie , ending in ie , I equate it to the word pie , or tie etc so it will always be the Shy-Rah Bry pronunciation to me . but , to each their own .Potato puhtato as they say .
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 21, 2018 0:53:13 GMT -5
So I finally got to starting the next epic volume... Empire adaptation (first 1/2)
I have to agree with Confessor on Williamson.. his art is AWESOME... even better than in the strip reprints I love from Dark Horse. There were a couple minor things that annoyed me (the Wampas attacking the base seems silly, and no Leia calling Han a scruffy looking nerfherder.. I don't need alot of dialogue.. but that was a line I missed.)
I LOVED the scene of Vader putting his helmet on after getting out of his meditation egg very cool.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 21, 2018 14:27:21 GMT -5
Finished the 2nd half... pretty straight from the movie.. very well done, but nothing too Earth shattering. I didn't like size-changing Yoda (i would have preferred them to have left in the original, that'd be more interesting)... but I'm sure you're right, they just didn't have reference in the script.
No 'I know' going into carbonite from Han, either... I've heard he ad libbed that... I guess that's another bit of proof.
Williamson's art is great.. he really nails Lando especially.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 25, 2018 2:03:46 GMT -5
So I finally got to starting the next epic volume... Empire adaptation (first 1/2) I have to agree with Confessor on Williamson.. his art is AWESOME... even better than in the strip reprints I love from Dark Horse. There were a couple minor things that annoyed me (the Wampas attacking the base seems silly, and no Leia calling Han a scruffy looking nerfherder.. I don't need alot of dialogue.. but that was a line I missed.) I LOVED the scene of Vader putting his helmet on after getting out of his meditation egg very cool. Finished the 2nd half... pretty straight from the movie.. very well done, but nothing too Earth shattering. I didn't like size-changing Yoda (i would have preferred them to have left in the original, that'd be more interesting)... but I'm sure you're right, they just didn't have reference in the script. No 'I know' going into carbonite from Han, either... I've heard he ad libbed that... I guess that's another bit of proof. Williamson's art is great.. he really nails Lando especially. Glad to hear you're back reading this run again, wildfire2099. I don't have too much to say in response to these two posts because I basically agree with everything you're saying. It's easier to have stuff to post when I'm disagreeing! That said, I do think that the "Wampas in the Rebel base" subplot works much better in the comic adaptation than it would've done in the film. It provides a handy extra layer of peril in that first issue of the adaptation, since the Empire hasn't arrived at Hoth yet. It was also something that was in the film's shooting script, rather than something that Archie Goodwin came up with.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 25, 2018 10:47:01 GMT -5
I am! I was waiting for the 3rd volume of the epic paperback to come out. I'm hoping they'll still do the last one, so I don't have to get the omni instead!
I agree the wampa attack wouldn't have worked in the movie... just too slow, I think. I t's also a recurring theme... they did they same thing on Rebels... I can't recall the planet name, but they had to fight spiders to set up their base (this was between Hoth and Yavin).
I'll try to agree less next time!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 25, 2018 15:25:56 GMT -5
#45 'Death Probe'
So we're back to Infantino on art.. he did pretty good on the Star Destroyer and the probe here, but why the heck does the blocade runner have a giant satellite dish in the middle of it, taking up a 3rd of the ship?
Confessor talked about how Luke shouldn't have a light saber, and, much more importantly, how his flight suit suddenly has it's own life support, and that he was able to survive his ship blowing up around him unhurt... all very silly things.
I'd add that a probe droid, which in the past is simply an drone with a laser, suddenly can defeat the entire crew of a ship and take it over? That's a bit more 'augmenting' that makes sense IMO.
It was a fun story, but it enough off to annoy me. Not as off as the next one though...
#46 'Dreams of Cody Sunn-Childe'
Ok, so I'll give it a pass that clearly there can't be a rebel leader we don't know about.. there could have been at the time, and there wasn't really a time line for how long the rebellion and been around. There are plenty of other issues to go around.
First, that's, what 5 Star Destroyers? The Falcon should have been blown up in pretty short order... especially when it got close... tractor beam? Never mind that a rift in time-space where there's a hidden planet with a super powerful pacifist on it is totally a Star TREK plot, not Star Wars.
The Lando I know in the movies was barely part of the Rebel cause at this point, so he shouldn't have a hero from being a kid he was looking up to.. he was happy to work with the Empire when he thought it would be a good deal for him, and only 'joined' because he had no other good option. I'll buy that by the end of RoTJ he's on board, but not weeks later.
Also, Chewey getting sucked into new wave peacenik philsophy in like one conversation to the extent he's forgetting his life debt just because another wookie is there is ridiculous. First, life debt. Second, this is a guy that threatening pulling peoples arms off when he's losing at space chess.. he's not a pacifist.
The crying thing was dumb, too.. the revenge angle makes alot more sense, unless you're going with they were brainwashed into accepting the beliefs of the planet.
Finally, there's the end... it seemed to imply the Falcon could jump to hyperspace and leave, but the SDs couldn't.. why? Lando had already said they were lost, so how are they jumping? If there's in a pocket dimension, how does that work anyway? I'll give them the SDs used to much power to get in and couldn't get out, but that should have been something they were aware of and had a contingency for, not just 'whoopsie, we're trapped forever'.
SO yeah, while I feel like I've seen and enjoyed this Star Trek episode before, it didn't work for me at all as a Star Wars one.
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Post by tarkintino on Dec 26, 2018 3:58:08 GMT -5
Confessor talked about how Luke shouldn't have a light saber Marvel could not have the hero most associated with the weapon go without for too long. That, and any plotlines from a third Star Wars movie were not known at the time issue #45 was written, so Marvel was allowed to give Luke a new lightsaber. Lando was not "happy" about it. When a galaxy-spanning totalitarian government's enforcers--Vader at the top if that list--show up at the city demanding he aid in capturing their enemies, or else the millions of Cloud City would face the consequences (and in that galaxy, everyone knew what that meant), Lando had no choice, just as he said. He had an entire population to protect. According to...? He did not have to do a thing after the rebels were captured, and bought into Vader's deal wholeheartedly, but he freed the rebels and more importantly, his citizens, so he knew where those decisions would take his life. Moreover, after escaping Bespin, he did not have to help track down Fett, or join the Alliance (which offered no protection in a galaxy controlled by the Empire, and with his Cloud City insurrection, he was now a known enemy), but he committed himself to continuing the cause of freeing the oppressed--a process starting on Cloud City. "By the end?" He was already a general in the Rebel Alliance not long after returning to the fleet (post-Jabba) which can only mean he had committed himself to the Alliance enough for the brass to grant him that title and responsibility long before the scene that revealed his military title. ..and I doubt Lando's joking reference to "someone must have heard about my little maneuver at the Battle of Taanab" was enough for the Alliance to give him command of their entire fighter force for what was going to be their last stand against the Empire. That's strong evidence Lando was clearly all in before the events of ROTJ.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 26, 2018 5:07:15 GMT -5
Definitely agree with Tarkintino's assessment of Lando; in many ways, he is the most heroic character in Empire, because - as noted - he was the administrator of an entire city and accountable for the lives of everyone there, not just Han, Leia, Chewie and C3PO, so he did what he had to do to make sure Cloud City didn't get blown out of the sky. He still helps Leia and Chewie escape, and also helps save Luke - who honestly shouldn't have come in the first place. Yoda pretty much told him he wouldn't accomplish anything... Anyway, on Lando, I think his position was summed up pretty well in a podcast I listened to a few years ago in which the original trilogy was being discussed: one of the hosts compared him to, say, the successful mayor of a big city with lots of adult responsibilities, who now has to deal with some old (loser) acquaintance of his, living in a van he used to own, who just shows up out of the blue and needs a bunch of favors because he's in trouble with the law.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 26, 2018 6:08:35 GMT -5
Confessor talked about how Luke shouldn't have a light saber Marvel could not have the hero most associated with the weapon go without for too long. That, and any plotlines from a third Star Wars movie were not known at the time issue #45 was written, so Marvel was allowed to give Luke a new lightsaber. You are, of course, quite right. I think I mentioned this in one of my reviews, but basically, the lightsaber was Luke's signature weapon and no way were Marvel gonna have their hero without his signature weapon.
However, it's the lack of any kind of explanation that is most problematic for me. I mean, it's interesting to see that you've assumed that Luke simply has a new lightsaber, whereas I always assumed that this was his farther's lightsaber and Marvel were just turning a blind eye to his having lost it on Cloud City. A strategically placed thought balloon from Luke in this issue, giving any old explanation (such as an old Jedi saber having been found in a storage box in a Rebel frigate or somesuch) would've been preferable to Marvel just carrying on as if nothing had happened. That said, I have to tell you that, as a kid, during the three years worth of Marvel comics set between ESB and ROTJ, it never once occurred to me that Luke shouldn't really have his lightsaber. It was only in later years that I suddenly realised that this was problematic from a continuity perspective. #45 'Death Probe' ... #46 'Dreams of Cody Sunn-Childe' These are two of my favourite stories from the entire series...and easily my favourite two Carmine Infantino pencilled issues. So we're back to Infantino on art.. he did pretty good on the Star Destroyer and the probe here, but why the heck does the blocade runner have a giant satellite dish in the middle of it, taking up a 3rd of the ship? Errr....have you ever seen Infantino's work on Star Wars before?! Movie-authentic ship design was definitely NOT his strong point. I'd add that a probe droid, which in the past is simply an drone with a laser, suddenly can defeat the entire crew of a ship and take it over? That's a bit more 'augmenting' that makes sense IMO. Well, it's stated that this is a prototype probe droid, so I assume that it's a prototype for the next generation of probes. That would explain it's more formidable weaponry and increased intelligence. Really though, I'm not sure I'd describe the probe we saw in Empire as "simply a drone with a laser." It always seemed much more intelligent than that to me. It is a droid, after all, and based on other droids we've seen in the SW franchise, it would've likely been fairly sophisticated. The Lando I know in the movies was barely part of the Rebel cause at this point, so he shouldn't have a hero from being a kid he was looking up to.. he was happy to work with the Empire when he thought it would be a good deal for him, and only 'joined' because he had no other good option. I'll buy that by the end of RoTJ he's on board, but not weeks later. Somewhat echoing what tarkintino has already said, I think it was pretty clear that Lando had thrown his lot in with the Rebellion by the end of ESB. Partially because of his guilt over handing Han Solo over to Darth Vader and Boba Fett, partly because the Empire had messed up his extremely profitable mining operation on Cloud City, and partially because he had found it within himself to do the right thing. Lando having "sided" with Vader and the Empire initially, smacks of a businessman's pragmatism in attempting to protect his investment, rather than any intrinsic sympathy for the Empire. His old friend Han even spells this out for the viewer when he tells Leia that Lando has no love for the Empire. In addition, it's pretty clear that Lando is something of an idealist at heart (although more evidence of that is seen in ROTJ than ESB, admittedly). But the idea that Lando may've idolised a rebel leader in his youth isn't so far fetched, in my opinion. Also, Chewey getting sucked into new wave peacenik philsophy in like one conversation to the extent he's forgetting his life debt just because another wookie is there is ridiculous. First, life debt. Second, this is a guy that threatening pulling peoples arms off when he's losing at space chess.. he's not a pacifist. Though it's never explicitly spelled out, I think it's pretty clear that there's some kind of "magic" at work in Cody Sunn-Child's city. I mean, Sunn-Child clearly has some supernatural aspects to his character, such his having his inner demons literally manifest themselves in the jungle outside the metropolis, the entire city itself having been manifested by his psyche, and his conjuring of the giant, ranging demons that attack the Imperial Star Destroyers. It's always been my impression that Chewbacca's will was softened momentarily by meeting a fellow Wookiee, but then he fell under Sunn-Child's supernatural "spell", as others in his city had. The crying thing was dumb, too.. the revenge angle makes alot more sense, unless you're going with they were brainwashed into accepting the beliefs of the planet. I think I said this in my review, but, although I like both endings to the story, my preferred ending would be a hybrid one, in which Lando leaves the Imperials trapped in the alternate dimension, but still realises that Sunn-Child's actions were ultimately noble, and not wrong. Finally, there's the end... it seemed to imply the Falcon could jump to hyperspace and leave, but the SDs couldn't.. why? Lando had already said they were lost, so how are they jumping? The Imperial Star Destroyers had no hyperdrive, having burned theirs out by rerouting the power cells to the weapons system in order to destroy Sunn-Child's realm. Imperial Captain Plikk knew that such a course of action would leave the ships crippled, but she chose to do it anyway in some obsessive quest for glory. That's the given explanation for why the Imperials couldn't escape the rapidly closing rip in the fabric of space that provided a route back to the Star Wars galaxy. Whether you think that's a good explanation or not is another matter, but at least it was explained.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 26, 2018 22:54:28 GMT -5
I have a totally different take on Lando than you guys it seems! With Han, it was clear he sympathizes with the rebels from the beginning, despite the fact the he claims he doesn't.. he's trying to protect his self-image. The fact that Lando was in charge of Bespin is EXACTLY why I don't think he's a rebel until he has to be. He IS the establishment... EdoBosnar's description is fantastic... I felt he was acting like a memory he'd rather forget re-surfaced and he was making the best of it. I look at it this way, if Vader didn't decided to flex his muscles just because he could, Lando would have been fine with Han in Fett's hands and Leia and Chewey under house arrest, as the original deal was. In watching the movie, I always felt like he was only leaving with Leia because he had guilt over Han and that she was a woman to be reckoned with more than any particular interest in the Rebel Alliance. I was actually surprised when He was still around in RotJ the first time. Then there's Bespin.. what happened to it when he ran? Did the Empire just take it over? (I feel like it was in an EU story somewhere, but I don't recall the specifics). As far as probe droids go.. Han and Chewie tricked it pretty easily on Hoth in the open... they seem alot less intelligent than the ones we 'know'. I get it was an upgrade, and the fact that it was too much of an upgrade was a plot point, but it seemed a bit much to me. It seemed to me like it was unlikely for a Star Destroyer (much less a whole squad) to have no spare parts or no way to jury rig something, so yeah, it was AN explanation, but it was a terrible one I thought Infantino actually did really well with the SDs here, which was why the fail on the blockade runner was so jarring .
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Post by screamsinthevoid on Dec 27, 2018 0:44:23 GMT -5
gotta strongly disagree with Lando being ok with Han in Fett's hands . When Han and Leia arrived on Cloud City , Lando initially made a big show of being antagonistic at first . " why you slimy , no good ,double crossing swindler , you got a lot of nerve coming here ." I think this was his attempt to cue Han in that something was amiss . The Empire Strikes Back Radio drama goes a long way toward making Lando's actions a bit more sympathetic as well .In that , Han explains to Leia after their altercation in the prison cell that Lando came down there to GIVE Han the chance to take a swing at him . The Radio drama also gives many indications , some from Lando himself about him being responsible for millions of lives .Plus , I am sure Lando knew of Jabba's reputation for disposing of his enemies and he knew that is where Fett was taking him . I do not think he would have been ok with that .And as you will see in upcoming issues of this series you are reading , there is a little lingering resentment towards Lando from Leia and Co. at first , but he more than makes up for his actions as the series progresses and long before Return Of The Jedi rolls around . The original Marvel series also had it's own take on what happened to Cloud City and while entertaining , I think that story was a big missed opportunity for events after Return Of The Jedi . According to interviews with Jo Duffy though , her hands were tied on a lot of stories that she proposed to Lucasfilm and they would not let her do them . She kinda got the shaft there as Dark Horse did a lot of what Lucasfilm forbade her to do when they got the license and did Dark Empire .
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Post by screamsinthevoid on Dec 27, 2018 1:02:36 GMT -5
also , regarding Luke still having his Lightsaber ,I read a pretty good retcon years ago and I wish I could remember where , but it proposed that Luke kept the lightsaber of Orman Tagge when he defeated him in their saber duel and used that as a backup . This works for my head canon .And regarding the Death Probe issue , I wonder if they were inspired by the tv series The Six Million Dollar Man from the late 70's . there was an episode with the same title and it featured a type of probe robot with very similar lethal capabilities it was a pretty popular episode and the probe came back in black looking even more like a Probot later
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