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Post by screamsinthevoid on Jan 25, 2019 16:32:11 GMT -5
I stumbled across this website today and came upon this awesome Tom Palmer cover for issue 100 . 2nd one down after the rough cover . It looks so much more vivid and luminous than the published cover ! this made my jaw drop ! why did they not go with this one ? or was this a piece he re did at a later time ? either way it is freaking awesome ...http://marvel1980s.blogspot.com/2016/01/1985-anatomy-of-cover-star-wars-100-by.html
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Post by Confessor on Jan 25, 2019 16:56:24 GMT -5
I stumbled across this website today and came upon this awesome Tom Palmer cover for issue 100 . 2nd one down after the rough cover . It looks so much more vivid and luminous than the published cover ! this made my jaw drop ! why did they not go with this one ? or was this a piece he re did at a later time ? either way it is freaking awesome ...http://marvel1980s.blogspot.com/2016/01/1985-anatomy-of-cover-star-wars-100-by.html It's definitely not a later revisiting or redrawing. That blog post shows the evolution of the cover. The 2nd painting down is identical to the finished one, but the colours on the published cover have been muted somehow. Maybe by placing some kind of tinted film over it? I agree the original painting "pops" far more than the published cover, but the descision to mute the colours was obviously deliberate, and either taken by Palmer himself or someone at Marvel.
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Post by screamsinthevoid on Jan 26, 2019 10:01:47 GMT -5
yeah , after viewing more of Tom Palmer's painted covers on that site , they all seem that way . I wonder if printing technology at the time was not capable of fully reproducing them .And it's a shame that so much of the art on the top half of the issue 100 painting got covered up by the logo .I would love to have that as an archival framed print on my wall !
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Post by tarkintino on Jan 26, 2019 11:18:25 GMT -5
I stumbled across this website today and came upon this awesome Tom Palmer cover for issue 100 . 2nd one down after the rough cover . It looks so much more vivid and luminous than the published cover ! this made my jaw drop ! why did they not go with this one ? or was this a piece he re did at a later time ? either way it is freaking awesome ...http://marvel1980s.blogspot.com/2016/01/1985-anatomy-of-cover-star-wars-100-by.html That 2nd cover was likely not used or being too rough in appearance, hence whatever printing method was used to dull both the color and its rough look down. Remember, this was early 1980s Star Wars, and fans were of a generation used to great paintings in this franchise's advertising (i.e. movie posters), then there's-- Marvel's own Star Wars 2 - World of Fire novel (October, 1982) with a cover from the great Earl Norem, and Marvel Super Special #27--Return of the Jedi (September, 1983) with Bill Sienkiewicz producing a slick piece, very evocative of the movie posters-- Considering work of that level, Marvel probably wanted that 100th issue's cover to live up to those kind of fan expectations of great art, and that 2nd Palmer cover just did not meet those standards, which is surprising, since his cover for Star Wars #81 (March, 1984)-- --was more in the artistic / quality spirit of the Norem and Sienkiewicz covers.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 26, 2019 12:22:47 GMT -5
I stumbled across this website today and came upon this awesome Tom Palmer cover for issue 100 . 2nd one down after the rough cover . It looks so much more vivid and luminous than the published cover ! this made my jaw drop ! why did they not go with this one ? or was this a piece he re did at a later time ? either way it is freaking awesome ...http://marvel1980s.blogspot.com/2016/01/1985-anatomy-of-cover-star-wars-100-by.html That 2nd cover was likely not used or being too rough in appearance, hence whatever printing method was used to dull both the color and its rough look down. Remember, this was early 1980s Star Wars, and fans were of a generation used to great paintings in this franchise's advertising (i.e. movie posters), then there's-- Marvel's own Star Wars 2 - World of Fire novel (October, 1982) with a cover from the great Earl Norem, and Marvel Super Special #27--Return of the Jedi (September, 1983) with Bill Sienkiewicz producing a slick piece, very evocative of the movie posters-- Considering work of that level, Marvel probably wanted that 100th issue's cover to live up to those kind of fan expectations of great art, and that 2nd Palmer cover just did not meet those standards, which is surprising, since his cover for Star Wars #81 (March, 1984)-- --was more in the artistic / quality spirit of the Norem and Sienkiewicz covers. There are only two versions of the cover there though: a rough mock up, which is the first picture, and then the finished cover, which is the 2nd image. Images 3 and 4 show the same version of the cover as image 2, just with trade dress and the weirdly muted colours. The preliminary cover is certainly a little rough looking, but the finished cover is definitely not "too rough in appearance" for fan expectations. I mean, come on, look at some of the other covers that fans of the series got. Palmer's painted works were always a treat, in terms of the quality of the series' cover images. The below painting is every bit as polished as Palmer's other painted covers for the series... Whatever reason Marvel or Palmer had for muting the colours, I can't believe that it was because someone deemed Palmer's work too rough or unpolished looking. Edit: I also don't believe it was something to do with printing technology, as Screamsinthevoid suggested above. The other painted covers in the series, or the Earl Norem paperback cover, all looked great. The descision to mute the colours on the cover of issue #100 was definitely a deliberate artistic choice, but it's hard to fathom why anyone would think that doing so was a good idea.
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Post by screamsinthevoid on Jan 26, 2019 16:39:07 GMT -5
guess we will have to agree to disagree on the printing process , I looked around the site more and if it is a deliberate artistic choice , it seems to be the case for all of Marvels painted covers of the era , these examples of Savage Sword Of Conan are a good example . The colors are all desaturated here as well . marvel1980s.blogspot.com/search?q=savage+sword+of+conan and even Marvel Star Wars issue 81 differs a bit in hue , value and saturation from finished painting to published cover . Speaking of the unfathomable , Palmer's issue 87 cover painting is a knockout over the published piece marvel1980s.blogspot.com/2015/12/1984-anatomy-of-cover-star-wars-87-by.html I am guessing Tom Palmer was not too happy about it .I would love to hear from the creators themselves on this . My best guess is that the standard printing of the day was a 4 color press and very expensive .Perhaps they calculated the expense for a higher print run such as a movie adaptation that would be guaranteed to sell to a mass audience .I don't know for sure though and I wonder why you are so definite that it was deliberate .I think further research is needed before a definitive answer can be given .
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Post by Confessor on Jan 26, 2019 22:52:12 GMT -5
guess we will have to agree to disagree on the printing process , I looked around the site more and if it is a deliberate artistic choice , it seems to be the case for all of Marvels painted covers of the era , these examples of Savage Sword Of Conan are a good example . The colors are all desaturated here as well . marvel1980s.blogspot.com/search?q=savage+sword+of+conan and even Marvel Star Wars issue 81 differs a bit in hue , value and saturation from finished painting to published cover . Speaking of the unfathomable , Palmer's issue 87 cover painting is a knockout over the published piece marvel1980s.blogspot.com/2015/12/1984-anatomy-of-cover-star-wars-87-by.html I am guessing Tom Palmer was not too happy about it .I would love to hear from the creators themselves on this . My best guess is that the standard printing of the day was a 4 color press and very expensive .Perhaps they calculated the expense for a higher print run such as a movie adaptation that would be guaranteed to sell to a mass audience .I don't know for sure though and I wonder why you are so definite that it was deliberate .I think further research is needed before a definitive answer can be given . Oh, for sure those Conan and Star Wars covers you reference do differ in hue and saturation to a degree, yes, but not in the same way that the cover of issue #100 does. I mean, the cover of #100 is way more muted than, say, #81 or #87. It's almost as if there's been too much cyan ink added to the cover or something? I used to work as a printer back in the '90s and any time we had to print a book cover, we would be provided with a proof, showing the colours that the client had approved. I'm guessing that image 3 in that blog post you linked to is the printing proof(??). Anyway, it was our job as the printers to mix the cyan, magenta, yellow, and key inks in the amounts recommended in order to replicate the colours on the proof as closely as possible. You could never get it 100% identical, but you could get it pretty damn close. I obviously can't say for sure, but there's such a marked difference between the colours of the original art and the finished cover of SW #100 that I feel it must've been a deliberate choice. Lord knows why though.
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Post by tarkintino on Jan 27, 2019 6:13:39 GMT -5
There are only two versions of the cover there though: a rough mock up, which is the first picture, and then the finished cover, which is the 2nd image. I know--I just refer to it as the 2nd cover as its the second image from top to bottom. But that's my point: I'm only talking about painted covers in the Marvel line(s), and when placed next to the Norem & Sienkiewicz covers, Palmer's painting for Star Wars #100 looks rough, a bit pieced together (with very recognizable photo sources for the three leads), and at the time, I thought a milestone 100th issue would have had a more spectacular, or movie-esque cover. You laid it all out: there's a strong case for Marvel not being satisfied with the original art, and were making a judgement based on quality. What other reason would motivate them mute the colors, or alter the contrast overall? Its not as though the original used the "wrong" colors for characters, etc. To me, it seems like they were trying to "smooth over" the cover at a point where they did not have time for any revisions.
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Post by huladollar on Feb 13, 2019 19:43:18 GMT -5
Sooooo.... Breaking my radio silence (it's been four years since I've posted, maybe?) (though I've been checking in regularly and still enjoy reading the comments!) but: hey, Confessor, looks like you'll have at least one more issue to review! comicbook.com/starwars/2019/02/13/star-wars-comics-legends-marvel-han-solo-jaxxon-valance/Huge news to a nostalgia nerd like me! (Also, Confessor, really enjoyed the Classic Comics Podcast... Waiting on part 2! )
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 13, 2019 21:43:35 GMT -5
Sooooo.... Breaking my radio silence (it's been four years since I've posted, maybe?) (though I've been checking in regularly and still enjoy reading the comments!) but: hey, Confessor, looks like you'll have at least one more issue to review! comicbook.com/starwars/2019/02/13/star-wars-comics-legends-marvel-han-solo-jaxxon-valance/Huge news to a nostalgia nerd like me! (Also, Confessor, really enjoyed the Classic Comics Podcast... Waiting on part 2! ) Thanks for the link! I always loved Infantino's attention to detail with the ribbing on Vader's body suit, the layered pieces of his boots, and how his lightsabers always appeared to be a true beam of dangerous-edged energy, though his traditional blade has been re-drawn here. Still, a great cover that takes me back to the truly fun, expansive days of Star Wars, in terms of the kind of rich universe that was created in the Marvel comic.
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Post by Duragizer on Feb 13, 2019 22:05:19 GMT -5
I want to believe it'll be a faithful throwback to the Marvel Star Wars of yesteryear, but the cynic in me suspects they'll make it as generic and throwaway as most of the rest of Marvel's recent output.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 13, 2019 22:31:41 GMT -5
Sooooo.... Breaking my radio silence (it's been four years since I've posted, maybe?) (though I've been checking in regularly and still enjoy reading the comments!) but: hey, Confessor, looks like you'll have at least one more issue to review! comicbook.com/starwars/2019/02/13/star-wars-comics-legends-marvel-han-solo-jaxxon-valance/Huge news to a nostalgia nerd like me! (Also, Confessor, really enjoyed the Classic Comics Podcast... Waiting on part 2! ) Thanks, huladollar...and I'm glad you enjoyed the podcast. I think it's gonna be a 4-part podcast in total. This is very exciting news, especially since Jaxxon will be making an appearance. You just can't keep a good space-rabbit down! I want to believe it'll be a faithful throwback to the Marvel Star Wars of yesteryear, but the cynic in me suspects they'll make it as generic and throwaway as most of the rest of Marvel's recent output. I'm gonna keep an open mind, but yeah...the cynic in me is saying the same thing. Something I do think is a shame is that they don't seem to have got any of the original creative team onboard. I know Walt Simonson is doing the cover, but a Simonson drawn and Jo Duffy penned story would have me a lot more excited. Or maybe Duffy and David Michelinie writing together. The only artist who's working on the interior art of this issue #108, who also worked on the original run, based on the report I've seen, is Kerry Gammill. And he only drew part of one issue, as far as I recall: SW #70 "The Stenax Shuffle".
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Post by urrutiap on Feb 15, 2019 2:24:17 GMT -5
What bothers me is that do the new young writers of Marvel even know who Valance is at all?
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Post by Duragizer on Feb 15, 2019 3:37:06 GMT -5
What bothers me is that do the new young writers of Marvel even know who Valance is at all? This young reader does, so ...
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Post by urrutiap on Feb 15, 2019 16:56:41 GMT -5
Its funny that Im browsing this Star Wars thread since tonight later I am planning on reading the Dark Horse omnibus trade of the old Marvel Star Wars. Volume 3 where it starts off with issue 50
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